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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205591878" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205591878">(Jul 31 2020 at 13:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> ; our planning meeting will be held in this topic, starting in about 10 minutes or so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205592125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205592125">(Jul 31 2020 at 13:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll be trying to follow the steps listed at <a href="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/steering-meeting/how-to-run-planning.html">https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/steering-meeting/how-to-run-planning.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205592253" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205592253">(Jul 31 2020 at 13:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I happen to have a periodically screaming 19 month-old on my lap, so there might be some hiccups along the way.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205592271" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205592271">(Jul 31 2020 at 13:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>((or at least typos))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205592383" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205592383">(Jul 31 2020 at 13:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>in the meantime, this is a good time, or at least effectively your last chance, to get any last-minute proposals posted to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Ameeting-proposal">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Ameeting-proposal</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205592773" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205592773">(Jul 31 2020 at 13:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and while I'm sitting here, reflecting on how we don't have very many design meeting proposals, but we <em>do</em> have a number of major change proposals .... I am led to wonder if we might be well-served by allocating any extra Friday meeting slots to discussing MCP's that have been left unseconded ... but perhaps that sort of idea is best left as part of the proposed MCP retrospective.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205592988" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205592988">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, well, the time has arrived</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593004" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593004">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi again to <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> , lets start the planning meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593028" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593028">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>we'll start off with five minutes for any announcements</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593066" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593066">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> are we going to have a .2 release today/monday?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593130" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593130">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>the context here is issue  <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74954">#74954</a> "Pattern matching regression 1.45.0 -&gt; 1.45.1 (+nightly)"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593213">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah yes there is a PR up, at <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74958">#74958</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593272" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593272">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me r+ that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593603">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, so, we have three unscheduled meeting proposals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593668">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Ameeting-proposal+-label%3Ameeting-scheduled">shown here</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593704">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>the three proposals are</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593723" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593723">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>we're not so good at writing the minutes, are we? =)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593800">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<ol>
<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/318">compiler-team#318</a> "discuss results of 2020 contributor survey"</li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/314">compiler-team#314</a> "MCP retrospective"</li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/177">compiler-team#177</a> "merge llvm.sideeffect change"</li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593960" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593960">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems likely that the story hasn't changed regarding <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/177">compiler-team#177</a> (in the past we've declined to schedule a meeting because we've either needed more data or needed the performance to improve, or both)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205593978" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205593978">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>but let me double-check if anything has changed there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594004" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594004">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31/near/205593723">said</a>:</p>
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<p>we're not so good at writing the minutes, are we? =)</p>
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<p>yeah, I admit partial blame there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594080" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594080">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>at this point maybe we should just link to the zulip topic and call it a day :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594090">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>(seems fine...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594118">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>eh I think there is still value to trying to come up with proper minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594142" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594142">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>there is definitely value in trying to distill the conversation..</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594154" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594154">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>but you do have a point that it may be making <em>this</em> step less efficient</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594206">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we could have a queue of "undistilled meetings" tracked somewhere <em>other</em> than this list of issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594291" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594291">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and then close each of these issues when they get inserted onto the queue)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594309">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>or we could, you know, try harder to write up those summaries. <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594422">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh we can always searching for <code>-label:meeting-scheduled</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594429">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think it's good to be reminded...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594437" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594437">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>regarding <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/177">compiler-team#177</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594445" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594445">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, I will be on vacation next Friday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594451" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594451">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>there <em>was</em> a blog post posted</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594549" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594549">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I cannot find it on the blog itself...?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594618" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594618">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, here it is: <a href="https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2020/03/19/terminating-rust.html">https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2020/03/19/terminating-rust.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594669">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>so was there anything interesting on the associated internals thread ... ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594704" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594704">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't recall anything coming from it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594967" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594967">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I tend to feel like we should close the meeting proposal.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594973">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't really know that there's a lot to discuss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205594997" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205594997">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595009">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the consensus of how to address the <em>issue</em> was to add some targeted code to detect the apparently common case of <code>loop { }</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595022" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595022">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>its good to be aware that its still an outstanding problem</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595031">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure, but we have a lot of those</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595040" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595040">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595044">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I'm not sure what makes this one so special</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595172">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, I think I myself want to read the posts on internals before I close this...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595188">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets leave it open and see what happens in four weeks when it comes up again</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595224">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I certainly don't think we're at a point where we would schedule a design meeting for it.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595237" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595237">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595251" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595251">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>That leaves:</p>
<ol>
<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/318">compiler-team#318</a> "discuss results of 2020 contributor survey"</li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/314">compiler-team#314</a> "MCP retrospective"</li>
</ol>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595369">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we can have meetings for both of those topics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595435">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> I assume you do not think its too soon to have an MCP retrospective, given that you proposed it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595509" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595509">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not sure :) I didn't think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595547" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595547">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess "retrospective" might not be the right term</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595554" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595554">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>but sort of "check-in on how people feel it's been going"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595556" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595556">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>assuming we're generally agreed that both meetings are worthwhile, I would propose that we do <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/318">compiler-team#318</a> before <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/314">compiler-team#314</a>, because the analysis for <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/318">compiler-team#318</a> is already done, while we still would want to do a fresh survey for <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/314">compiler-team#314</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595619">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595638" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595638">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but, oh, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> did just say a few messages up that they would be on vacation</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595668">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or was that not in this topic? I cannot find it now ...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595705" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595705">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, next Friday <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span>  is on vacation</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595767">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> but you are planning to be around for the other Fridays?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595779">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was just checking</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595808" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595808">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not available on Aug 7 or Aug 21</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595855" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595855">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>which leaves Aug 14 and Aug 28</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595875">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or schedule for when I'm not around, but these sound like topics I'm interestedin :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595901">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>isn't 28th a planning meeting slot?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595912">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh, yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595916">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wasn't thinking :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595938" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595938">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(plan, design design design, plan, ...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595943">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>so okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205595976" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205595976">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's vacation time <span aria-label="beach" class="emoji emoji-1f3d6" role="img" title="beach">:beach:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596024" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596024">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, maybe we do <em>just</em> the contributor survey results, on August 14th</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596045">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>and we leave the MCP "retrospective" for the next cycle?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596063" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596063">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>since I agree that it would be good to have <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> at both such meetings?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596163" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596163">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596167">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>this does mean we leave two friday slots unused this cycle. But I think that's okay. Let's take it easy</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596176">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think there is a rush to do the MCP meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596243">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I was again musing internally about whether to allocate some of those friday slots to discuss any MCP's that have gone unseconded)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596330">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>interesting thought!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596336" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596336">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but I think that can wait. Or rather, if someone is worried that an MCP isn't getting the attention it needs, then maybe that someone can promote it to a design meeting proposal.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596392" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596392">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I <em>have</em> been thinking that we should go through the MCPs that have been open for a while and decide how to work with them.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596412" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596412">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Either close or try to at least find someone to ping)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596414" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596414">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Basically, I think the idea of promoting unseconded MCPs to design meeting proposals is not terrible; but I am not sure whether it should be an automatic process, versus something that someone has to push through</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596556" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596556">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems like if there doesn't exist someone willing to do such promotion (with associated leg work of writing the meeting proposal, for example), then that is a sign that we don't have the workforce to support the proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596595">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but on the flip side, I don't want bureaucracy to become a barrier)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596649" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596649">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Anyway, it sounds like we are agree that we'll schedule a meeting for August 14th for <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/318">compiler-team#318</a> "discuss results of 2020 contributor survey"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596660">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>+1</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596673" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596673">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>in the 30 minutes we have remaining</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596702" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596702">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>we can either:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596715" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596715">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<ol>
<li>Go over the nominated issues that we didn't have time for in yesterdays meeting</li>
</ol>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596779">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<ol start="2">
<li>review performance issues that we barely skimmed in yesterdays meeting</li>
</ol>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596805">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>or 3. review MCP's that have gone unseconded</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596818">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm inclined to go with 1., go over the nominated issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205596882" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205596882">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>but its possible that the people who attend this meeting are distinct enough from the people that attend the thursday meeting that we would be better off just letting the nominations wait until thursday?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597012">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe, we hvae 6 folks here, but they're all compiler contributors etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597049" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597049">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>not exactly a massive quorum but could do worse :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597050" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597050">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>skimming over the nominated issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597069" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597069">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>they all seem important enough to warrant looking at now versus waiting a week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597091">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm looking at this list here: <a href="https://hackmd.io/pdiqlL2ZTfawYz_QHz0dRQ#Nominated-Issues">https://hackmd.io/pdiqlL2ZTfawYz_QHz0dRQ#Nominated-Issues</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597110" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597110">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>so lets see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597156" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597156">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I-nom: "Compiler doesn't terminate with --release" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74384">rust#74384</a></p>
<p>- Compiler doesn't "terminate" when nesting 3 arrays.<br>
  - "It seems like this is an LLVM bug."<br>
  - Nominated to assign it<br>
  - On our last meeting we briefly mention it but wasn't picked up yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597310" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597310">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>a theory was posted that this is an LLVM bug, but I'm not clear on what observations led to that hypothesis</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597346" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597346">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, LLVM ICE-breakers (is there a newer term for this) could be pinged in that case?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597367">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems like a good set of folks to ping,y es</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597377">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>"LLVM notification group"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597409" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597409">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I imagine the basis is just that release triggers it, but I guess we could grab a backtrace with relative ease</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597504">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm feeling frustrated that the forge has a section called "Notification Groups" that does not list the notification groups nor the syntax to ping them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597587">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>where am I suppose to find this? I thought I actually fixed this at some point, on some site</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597630" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597630">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah rustc-dev-guide</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597631">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://rustc-dev-guide.rust-lang.org/notification-groups/about.html">https://rustc-dev-guide.rust-lang.org/notification-groups/about.html</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597640">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>ETOOMANYSITES</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597716" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597716">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's @rustbot ping llvm I think  :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597722" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597722">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>(this actually does seem like areal problem. Since there's so many sites, there is no "single search box" that one could use to search all of them)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597862" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597862">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me wonders if there's a way we could make a single search box that indexes all of the sites</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597892" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597892">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>(heh we've been debating whether forge or rustc-dev-guide is better for this sort of content; I still think forge is the right place for the more "procedural" things, in part because often they are kind of cross-team, but I do see the point that having a "single source of truth" is great...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597940" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597940">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, regarding <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74384">rust#74384</a>: I'm already planning to do some LLVM work (trying to isolate a .bc file to post as bug on LLVM's own issue tracker)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597949">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>for a different bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597965" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597965">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I imagine something similar is what we'd want to do here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597974" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597974">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me assign <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74384">rust#74384</a> to myself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205597981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205597981">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>as part of that effort</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598134">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>next</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598140" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Félix Fischer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598140">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi, I'm a second late but I like the idea of a single source of truth. Gives some relief that I haven't missed somewhere to check</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598229" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598229">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah; do we have any web programming experts who could hack something like that up?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598245">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>(says the man who works for Mozilla)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598266" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Félix Fischer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598266">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>(XD)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598280">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway we can leave that for later</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598281" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598281">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>moving on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598283">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I-nom: "error: could not compile <code>gkrust</code> since Rust 1.43 on SPARC Solaris" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74551">rust#74551</a></p>
<p>- Unassigned <code>I-unsound</code> stable to stable regression<br>
  - Nominated by <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="118594">@ecstatic-morse</span>, <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74551#issuecomment-662273391">they think this is concerning and may affect tier 1 platforms</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598416" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598416">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>did we have a bisection?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598425" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598425">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>How are we going to investigate this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598436" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598436">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>The bug description does have a bisection</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598440" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598440">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>The commit you bisected to (part of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/69676">#69676</a>) re-enabled the optimization around drop elaboration in <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/68528">#68528</a>, which could have plausibly caused this kind of issue</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598447" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598447">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>(yes)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598510">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm at a bit of a loss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598516" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598516">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>should we consider re-disabling the optimization around drop elaboratino</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598525" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598525">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>as a precaution?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598544" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598544">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>we have no evidence to suggest that it <em>definitely is</em> a problem anywhere but SPARC</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598548">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598645" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598645">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I would be inclined to wait and see if we see any further reports</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598651" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598651">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>or we can make a more minimal example</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598656" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598656">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>and/or to try and trace the LLVM compilation and see where things 'go wrong'</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598674" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598674">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>does anyone here have access to a SPARC Solaris machine...?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598700">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>that has been my concern with tracking this down this whole time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598914" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598914">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's not much we can do directly, from what I understand, if no one has a SPARC</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598943" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598943">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>The GCC CompileFarm has a sparc machine. I assume it would be running Solaris: <a href="https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm">https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598952">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>If anyone has access to that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205598982" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Félix Fischer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205598982">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I had no idea Solaris was still a thing (yeah I don't have a sparc machine either)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599038" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599038">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="125250">Wesley Wiser</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31/near/205598943">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The GCC CompileFarm has a sparc machine. I assume it would be running Solaris: <a href="https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm">https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>hmm, yes, I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> mentioned this in the past. I might have even requested access, lets see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599169" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599169">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, I do have access</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599195">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>or at least I have an email that told me my access was granted.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599247">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599262" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599262">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I'll self-assign this to see if I can replicate atop the build farm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599306" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599306">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I'm not sure if the bug as described there will be that easy to duplicate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599369" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599369">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>since its described as happening atop a full firefox build. <span aria-label="sad" class="emoji emoji-2639" role="img" title="sad">:sad:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599387" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599387">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>oof</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599398" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599398">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll self-assign</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599413" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Félix Fischer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599413">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>A full... firefox build. Ouch</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599519" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599519">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>next</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599526" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Félix Fischer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599526">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>(Thank you for self-assigning that, sounds like a lot of compiling time)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599558" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599558">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I-nom: "ICE with the <code>(foo @ ..,)</code> pattern" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74702">rust#74702</a></p>
<p>- <code>I-ICE</code>, <code>I-nominated</code> for discussion, see <a href="#narrow/stream/245100-t-compiler.2Fwg-prioritization.2Falerts/topic/I-prioritize.20.2374702.20ICE.20with.20the.20.60(foo.20.40.20.2E.2E.2C).60.20pattern">Zulip</a> topic<br>
  - No assignee yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599917" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599917">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm a little nervous that we just had a whole thing where a change to the pattern code caused us to issue a broken stable release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205599950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205599950">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>so this seems like an area where we need to ... at the very least, tread carefully?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600018" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600018">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I dn't quite understand</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600038" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600038">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>(at least, that's my understanding of what went down with PR <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74557">#74557</a> and issue <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74954">#74954</a>)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600083" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600083">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>that said, I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123856">@Vadim Petrochenkov</span>'s comment makes sense, and it seems <em>likely</em> that this can be fixed relatively easily</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600125" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600125">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm trying to say that we had a recent incident where someone fixed an ICE in the pattern code and we thought it was good for a backport, but we were incorrect.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600135">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>well I don't know I didn't dig too deeply into why the ICE is occurring exactly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Félix Fischer <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600148">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe there are more tests to make so that this regression can be detected before merging a PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600202" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600202">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I see what you mean by inject a bug -- we did a stable backport, you're saying</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600224" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600224">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600245">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I had tried to ensure we would cover our bases with that backport</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600258" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600258">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>by adding a delay_span_bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600282">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>but apparently it actually injected a dynamic semantics bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600343">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>(again, that's my current understanding; I haven't dived deeply into what actually happened with the code of the PR itself)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600364">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600389" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600389">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm just expressing a bit of nervousness</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600420">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>but that nervousness is really only about backporting changes here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600449">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>We should go full steam ahead on trying to make appropriate fixes on nightly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600515">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600567" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600567">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, I think that the reason that this was nominated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600616" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600616">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>was to discuss the point that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123856">@Vadim Petrochenkov</span> made, which was that we should be applying the fixes here to AST lowering, not resolve</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600764" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600764">(Jul 31 2020 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600816" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600816">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>which, as <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> said, probably makes sense?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600851" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600851">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems ok but I'm not sure exactly what it means</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600868">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess they mean that we should resolve to an actual variable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205600886" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205600886">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we have to report the error (or <code>delay_span_bug</code>) later on and give that variable a type like <code>ty::errr</code>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601133" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601133">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm, yeah maybe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601190" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601190">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>its an interesting point: Like, there's a design philosophy question here, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601260">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601305">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets leave this nominated for now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601360">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>if only because there's other work related to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74954">#74954</a> that remains to be done (namely changes to beta and nightly; only stable has been fixed, If i understand correctlyh)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601439">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>and the fallout from finding the right fixes to these ICEs might inform further conversation of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/74702">rust#74702</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601461">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay then that's our hour of meeting time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205601483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205601483">(Jul 31 2020 at 15:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>thank you to everyone in <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> for attending!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205954247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205954247">(Aug 04 2020 at 20:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hmm... unfortunately, I might be traveling on Aug 14 <span aria-label="confused" class="emoji emoji-1f615" role="img" title="confused">:confused:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205964277" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205964277">(Aug 04 2020 at 21:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205972785" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205972785">(Aug 04 2020 at 23:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmmm...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/205972832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#205972832">(Aug 04 2020 at 23:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds like we should perhaps leave <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/318">compiler-team#318</a> to the next design meeting cycle then?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/206005103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#206005103">(Aug 05 2020 at 09:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>guess so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/206020708" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#206020708">(Aug 05 2020 at 13:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay. I'll go cancel the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.07.31/near/206021001" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E07.2E31.html#206021001">(Aug 05 2020 at 13:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think a new blog post is warranted, though. <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>



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<p>Sorry about that!</p>



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